Same Person with Different Styles

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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby ispeaktexan » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:04 pm

I didn't even make plans to go see borat...
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby Learning » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:57 am

ispeaktexan wrote:I didn't even make plans to go see borat...


Cohen has some really outrageous humor that makes fun of stereotypes and people who hold them. Did you have some particular objections to Cohen's humor?

Bruno has an extreme stereotypically gay style. Cohen's Bruno is different enough from his Borat character that it's hard to realize that both the Borat and Bruno characters are done by Cohen.

Also, Alfons Haider may be the person the Bruno character is based on, but Cohen's caricature takes Haider beyond recognition. Here is a clip of Haider:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq8zVKIG ... r_embedded
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby LtotheP » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:07 am

Learning wrote:
ispeaktexan wrote:I didn't even make plans to go see borat...


Cohen has some really outrageous humor that makes fun of stereotypes and people who hold them. Did you have some particular objections to Cohen's humor?


I dont laugh at the stereotype. I laught at the people who interact with them.
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Sacha B. Cohen's Transformations

Postby Learning » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:32 pm

I dont laugh at the stereotype. I laught at the people who interact with them.


Cohen has done an impressive job of transforming himself and acting with more stereotypical gay style than a lot of gay people do, but I assume you mean that you laugh at the people fooled by Cohen because of stereotypes. Which incidents did you find most funny?
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Re: Sacha B. Cohen's Transformations

Postby LtotheP » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:49 am

Learning wrote:
I dont laugh at the stereotype. I laught at the people who interact with them.


Cohen has done an impressive job of transforming himself and acting with more stereotypical gay style than a lot of gay people do, but I assume you mean that you laugh at the people fooled by Cohen because of stereotypes. Which incidents did you find most funny?


I love how people react to the stereotpye - when borat sings the wrong anthem, when bruno goes on a carb trip, when people talk about what they will do to get their babies in a photo shoot (although this had nothing to do with the stereotype).
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Sacha B. Cohen's Transformations

Postby Learning » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:29 am

I love how people react to the stereotpye - when borat sings the wrong anthem, when bruno goes on a carb trip, when people talk about what they will do to get their babies in a photo shoot (although this had nothing to do with the stereotype).


Ha. When Cohen does his "Straight Dave" character by acting like a straight guy in a mixed martial arts ring, people are teased using stereotypes of straight guys. The audience believes Dave the "straight-acting" fighter only to see Dave make out with a guy in the ring. I don't know how Cohen got out alive.
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby JW » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:04 pm

I may be the odd one out here (and I don't mind that at all really), but I don't get it, not a single bit.
What on éarth is this thread about ????
Actors playing different roles is what I can deduce and reduce from all this.
Isn't that what actors are paid outrageous sums of money for: to play a character thought up by some anonymous screenwriter?
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby furface » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:15 pm

You're not alone on that, JW. I, too, haven't a clue what Learning (thread's author) is doing. I have my s'picions though.
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Getting Details on People with Different Styles

Postby Learning » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:13 pm

You're not alone on that, JW. I, too, haven't a clue what Learning (thread's author) is doing.


Oops. It's hard to post replies if the question raised by the thread is unclear. Let's see if I can clarify.

While some people are inclined to act the same way wherever they are, other people adjust their styles regularly. This thread mentions a number of people who've presented themselves as more "straight acting" in one situation and as more effeminate in another. I'm curious about whether some of you think they have or haven't been successful in making a change from "straight acting" to more effeminate and what things you notice that show a more "straight acting" style or more effeminate style.

Using the most recent example of Sacha Cohen doing his Bruno character, does Cohen's Bruno character seem different from Cohen's other characters like Borat? Did Cohen convincingly play a stereotypically gay part? What are the things that you think a "straight acting" character would or would not do?
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby Learning » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:50 am

Here is someone trying to change styles to seem more "straightacting" or more stereotypically
"gay." The difference in his facial expression is subtle but the difference in his voice is huge. He claims he changes styles to fit in at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmjucDr9oWo
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby CollegePepper » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:49 am

Learning wrote:Here is someone trying to change styles to seem more "straightacting" or more stereotypically
"gay." The difference in his facial expression is subtle but the difference in his voice is huge. He claims he changes styles to fit in at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmjucDr9oWo


LOL funny vid!
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Fake Ad for "Gay Away"

Postby Learning » Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:03 am

Dan from youtube's "Exploration B" did this fake advertisement for "Gay Away," a product that turns people into "straight acting" gays. Dan does his impressions of a stereotypical gay guy and of a stereotypical straight guy.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Exploration ... dc30SAtQyU

Dan is a gay guy from Vancouver. Here is is being his usual self and advising people to be true to themselves, not to care what other people think, and not to try fitting stereotypes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Exploration ... rnsOmXjkrI
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The "So Gay Show" Guys Try "Straight Acting"

Postby Learning » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:57 am

Joe and Lucas of the "So Gay Show" give "straight acting" a try making a contrast between their usual style and "butch drag." They get advice from Constance to stop pretending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uckmvw8GAhw
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Real Selves Adjusting to Real Social Situations

Postby Learning » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:18 am

Erik, the "straight acting gay guy," talks in his video about things he noticed himself doing when hanging out at the beach with a straight friend, such as keeping his voice low and saying, "yeah!" even though he is out to his friend. Erik claims that straight guys emphasize their masculinity for other guys too and suggests that people probably act more manly to avoid being dominated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpX4JoZXRr4

Dan from Exploration B posted a reply video on the subject saying that while he's generally happy with how he acts, he sometimes sounds more straight when talking to straight guys and sometimes he lets his Australian accent show more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJD32xK3cuo

People high in "self-monitoring" make adjustments in their style to fit the social situation, and people naturally imitate people they like. Do some of you make adjustments? If so, what do you change? If you think that you try to "be yourself," how do know when you are being yourself and where does that self come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-monitoring
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Re: Same Person with Different Styles

Postby Learning » Mon May 30, 2011 5:45 am

Here are two videos of people trying to change their style.

Sandy Stone from "Gendernauts" demonstrates changing from feminine to more masculine in style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_VB6Jvvkg

In an attempt at humor, Logan McCree switches between stereotypically gay and "straight acting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arPLk23U1XY

Have Stone and McCree made clear differences or were there attempts at changing style an epic failure?
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