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Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:23 am

Pretty much describes this place these days.....

Somebody call the coroner. :|
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:27 am

I know. I'm wondering what happened too? I'm wondering if a change in ratings, from PG13 to R (not XXX) would help to pick things up a bit here. A bit of adult discusson, risque topics and a tad sexier pics wouls help to keep people interested and comming back. It all depends on what wants to be accomplished with this place. It really does have such great potential to be a fun place.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Phoenix6570 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:55 am

^ Yea we gotta do something to get the ball moving again. I bet if we went the more adult route that would get more people involved.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:11 pm

Yeah they do tend to have a few too many rules around here. You can't even use the word sh*t? That's like....okay for 3rd graders but come on.

The latest troll embarrassed poor old Butch so bad he packed up and left. And they did nothing. :?
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:16 pm

Yeah, I actually miss Butch. He had fantastic ideas but was a gentleman through and through who added lots of colour to this place. BUTCH!!! COME BACK!!!!!!!
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby furface » Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:34 pm

Earl Butz wrote:The latest troll embarrassed poor old Butch so bad he packed up and left. And they did nothing. :?

First, I doubt little or nothing embarrasses 'poor old' Butch. He has over time come and gone on his schedule and as he saw fit. I'm confident he'll b back when he wishes and/or feels the need.

Second, y'all don't know what was done from their (moderator/administrator) side. And ya won't as there is an agreement among the moderators not to discuss what actions are taken to moderate this board. Through experience it has been found that publicizing moderation creates more problems than it solves: creating cliques, "I wouldn't have done that", "You didn't handle that correctly", etc., etc.

Third, there's nothing preventing any user here from posting a topic or responding to a topic. If ya want more activity here, maybe ya should do something to create it; like post something beyond complaints about low activity.

Finally, PG-13 doesn't mean "Sunday school" acceptable. It means keeping posts free from gratuitous vulgarity, ad homenium attacks, any of the negative -isms, and posts more suited to Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh style 'entertainment'. It means being able to disagree without being disagreeable, i.e., political debate closer to Sunday morning political talk shows versus a 'Teabagger' rally, and being able to use vocabulary from areas considerably above the dregs of the vulgate. It also means following Will Rogers dictum: "Never miss a good chance to shut up." when necessary.

One more thing - if ya ain't sure about a topic; ask me before ya post it.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:01 pm

I was secretly hoping no one would reply to this topic to prove me right. :P

Let's face it....this place is not what it used to be. I'm not blaming moderators for that. Maybe people have better things to do.

But the silence around here is deafening. I think it's a valid topic.

As for Butch, he was called a disgusting pervert on at least three threads....and not much was done. The posts stayed there for all to read.
Maybe embarrass is the wrong word, but I'm sure the man has feelings. That is outright slander. No wonder he left.

I think you guys need to get your priorities straight. You police nudity and vulgarity, but allow slander? :roll:

The whole "moderator" system is a bit ridiculous. Almost everyone who participates here is a moderator. You make newcomers feel like lesser life forms. There's a definite snob attitude about it all.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:10 pm

Earl Butz wrote:I think you guys need to get your priorities straight. You police nudity and vulgarity, but allow slander? :roll:



And while we're on the topic, what is so wrong with a tad of nudity? Is nudity itself vulgar? As long as it's not in the aroused state, a little peek at the goods wouldn't hurt either. It's all availiable in the local text books anyway. Even a little butt cleavage never hurt anyone. Besides it's not nothing you can't see on any tv movie. See butts all the time. :?

I'm just sayin', that's all. :lol:
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:22 pm

Oooh and one more thing about moderators. :P

7 of them have left! Or never participate anymore. And a few others rarely participate. Wassup with that? :wink:
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:56 pm

And why can't the kid at the McDonald's Drive Thru window ever get my order right? Huh? Why? Are you behind that too Unca Lou?
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby olywaguy » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:11 pm

As I recall, the reason TomSA wanted to make this site a PG-13 site is to allow an opportunity for young people to participate and ask questions about what they are going through upon discovery of their sexual difference. How many of you wished you had someone to talk to at that age or ask questions about what they are feeling?

I came out late in life at age 38 and this site helped me with all the questions I had about being gay. The guys here were helpful and friendly and, as you can see, I am still here serving as a moderator.

There was a time when the board didn't have moderation and it caused a big mess. Moderation has helped to resolve some of those problems. The site would be a lot worse if there wasn't moderation believe me.

However, I don't appreciate being called a snob. I do believe the moderators have been welcoming and friendly towards newcomers.

Do I think the website needs new features to attract more guys to the site? Yes, I do.

I really would like to see it the way it was when I first got here. There was a monthly cover model contest from among the members of the site, rating of pictures of guys whether they were masculine or fem, there was a section for personals, there were polls, and a lot more.

Take a look at the old pages via the Internet Archive. This incarnation of the website came close to the way it was, but they never solved the technical problems that it was causing. I think if the technical problems were resolved, there would be a lot more guys participating.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby DeckApe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:48 pm

I do think our recent troll outbreak has had a lot to do with the downturn in activity here. It only takes one apple.

On the other hand, I have been told by one user that, in essence, my opinion wasn't valid because I hadn't been around long enough (which is to say, as long as he had, some sixteen months more), and that sort of attitude can be a turn-off to some people.

Speaking of younger users, has anyone seen ispeaktexan or jkav on here lately?
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:22 pm

Man, you've been here for years! Who the hell would say that to you? That just ain't right.

And yeah, I miss those two guys too. Justin has a great eye with the camera. I think I'll invite them back. :( .
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby ispeaktexan » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:18 pm

DeckApe wrote:I do think our recent troll outbreak has had a lot to do with the downturn in activity here. It only takes one apple.

On the other hand, I have been told by one user that, in essence, my opinion wasn't valid because I hadn't been around long enough (which is to say, as long as he had, some sixteen months more), and that sort of attitude can be a turn-off to some people.

Speaking of younger users, has anyone seen ispeaktexan or jkav on here lately?


I'm here, just haven't had much to say for a while.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby madsglen » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:20 pm

Guess I'll blow off my inner Will Rogers tendencies and chime in. I've been on and off this board and a few others over the past several years. Do I miss the activity and many past members who participated? Absolutely. Some quietly disappeared during past troll episodes (myself included) and, in some cases, for a few of the reasons identified here. Others migrated to other boards or activities during period when there were 'technical difficulties' here. And honestly, some I suspect just found they had other things to do in their lives.

As far as moderation is concerned, I note some flamethrowing here. Although rather mild compared to some I've seen it is disconcerting. Moderation on boards is different in each case. From what I have always understood this board has it's rules for a variety of reasons. Some have been identified pretty clearly, such as keeping it a safe place for all in terms of language, content, etc. And from what I remember moderation on this board is still pretty much completely done by volunteers so they can't be actively reviewing each and every post on a 24-hour basis. And mods have to walk a fine line sometimes. In the past I have been on or observed boards which have little or no moderation and no guidelines or 'rules', and they weren't necessarily pleasant. And some of the more 'professionally moderated' boards have their issues, too. If you want to see 'snobs' or 'cops' or that type of atmoshphere where the mods can get quite full of themselves and control the discussion they are out there. I've never seen that here. I appreciate what Tom has done by making this site available (at primarily his own cost, I might add) and the volunteer moderators who watch over this site for those of us who like it. As with many things, mostly we don't have much of an idea what goes into the job, the time and commitment it takes or the situations they've had to deal with.

Is the activity on this board different that it has been in the past? Are there fewer participating right now? Yes to both. On some level I suspect it's because there are other places on the net to explore that might have more 'whiz bang' features. This board's format is definitely 'old school'. In this 'Twitter driven' world, there are also fewer who seem to have the stamina (or, in my opinion, the cognitive skills) to maintain a discussion that takes more than a few seconds or requires a bit of thought vs. just reacting to a sentence or two. Or they'd prefer to maintain their own blog in which they can tell the world their opinions without the inconvenience of carrying on a discussion or reading what others might think or feel. Thankfully, I suspect this also leads to fewer trolls. If you think this latest episode was heinous (and i'm not saying it wasn't annoying and sad), believe me I've seen worse on this board and others. Personally, it's hard for me to read what I consider a personal attack on someone else and (thankfully) can only imagine what it feels like. (Although, I've been tempted to lob a few insults myself on occasion, mostly because of little things like spelling and grammar... :roll: )

It's sad that there are fewer here right now, definitely. I'd love to see some past participants come back and would like to see 'new blood', too.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:59 pm

I never meant to call you a snob, Carlos. I just meant that having 20 moderators looks intimidating to possible newcomers. I would delete all the names off the front page and start over anyway. Half of them have left.

I also agree with Nimby about nudity, but there is enough of that on the internet already so it's not a big issue with me.

Some days the only activity on here is us Canadians! I'm proud of that, but it's a shame....
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:49 pm

Earl Butz wrote:I also agree with Nimby about nudity, but there is enough of that on the internet already so it's not a big issue with me.


Now I feel like a pervert. :oops: . Really, I didn't mean it the way it sounded. But I love the hunks thread, and the guys kissing is so erotic and tasteful, not pornographic at all. I like that alot. And I like that this is not a porn site, but just a little more, um, eros, wouldn't hurt. I did check out how the site used to be. Very cool!!! What happened? Can we not get it back to some form of it's former glory? Send out a mas email to all the older users and notify them of the changes and pick things back up a bit? Really, there is no other place like this one, and I want it to be around for a long time.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Well at least you're not a snob. :P Nah, you're no pervert. And neither is Butch. I think worshipping beauty is pretty normal stuff, and everybody does it.

I was here for the tail end of the glory years. Lots of Texans for some reason. It was quite funny some days.

But the internet is always changing....nothing lasts forever. sniff
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Rico » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:18 pm

A couple of thoughts:

Hold the funeral! :wink:

According to Netcraft data, the total number of websites on earth as of January 2009 was 185,497,213 (185 million), and includes both blogs and websites. The number of blogs alone hosted by Google (BlogSpot) is slightly more than 10.5 million and growing. When this board started, that degree of competition just wasn't there. Bottom line is that almost all boards are in a similar situation as this one, surviving as a very small niche.

I treat this board and much of my on-line life like I do my shopping. When I want hardware, I go to Lowes or Home Depot. When I want bread, I go to the bakery. When I want what SA offers, I come here, which happens to be a big portion of my on-line time.

As far as Moderation, I tend to give the guys a break. I've been there and done that in another place far more difficult for many years, and don't miss the job. For much of the time it's a huge huge pain in the ass, but for the rest of the time it carries the big reward of knowing that you're partly responsible for ensuring a safe and sane on-line community for others to enjoy. Sure a few mods can abuse their power, but most do not.

The only real problem I have with the Board or the PG-13 rule is that you never know for certain the age of the person you are talking to. I have ignored many PM's I've received (actually deleted them unread) simply for that reason. The last thing in the world I ever want to do is get into an online dialogue about anything sexual or personal with an underage person. It's really the only problem I have with the Board.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Bramasole_iowa » Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:58 pm

Not sure how to attract the bigger numbers, but I know I'd been absent for awhile before I left the states.
Maybe we need to advertise on other social networks? Has there been any growth from the Facebook outreach?
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby Earl Butz » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:07 am

Facebook is a good idea. I just started using that myself. It's alot more sophisticated than MySpace, which is mostly for teenagers.

I know moderating is a thankless job. Maybe the problem is....there's usually nothing to moderate around here lately.

The last paragraph from Furface lost me a bit. You seem to be advocating almost religious values to what should be a casual chat board. No Howard Stern humor? Listen to Will Rogers and shut up? I also happen to love gratuitous vulgarity, but I agree it's a sign of an undeveloped mind.

If you want to know what's turning people off, it's all these little rules. I can live with them, but you are probably irritating potential newcomers with all the nitpicking. I would patrol the personal attacks, and let all the minor stuff go.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby JustJack » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:18 pm

I agree with those who say that the PG13 approach is just hurting the board. The site should be 18+ as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it should be a hookup site or porn trading site or anything like that but people shouldn't have to be afraid of posting a risque pic for fear of breaking rules. I'm guessing Nimby's got a whole collection of nude pics of himself that he's just waiting to unleash on us. Someone needs to give him the go-ahead cuz who wouldn't want to see that?
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby nimby » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:25 pm

Ha ha ha!!! Consider your self warned, JustJack. But you first, handsome. I know when I'm beat. :D
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby olywaguy » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:32 pm

I also recall that another reason for the PG-13 policy is because TomSA, at one time, was trying to get sponsors for the site. Their biggest complaint was the fact that it was too much of an adult website. They didn't like what they saw and so TomSA never got any sponsors for the site.
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Re: Death on a soda cracker

Postby JustJack » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:09 pm

Ahhh, going after sponsorship cash certainly makes sense. I would think though, that the type of businesses that would want to advertise here, and that would be of interest to the membership, wouldn't insist or even care about a PG-13 rating. Like say some of the ones you might find here...

http://site.gayfriendlybiz.biz/directory.html

Just clicking on one of the links (Texas) I see a shop that sells gay pride stuff, a gay oriented clothing shop, a gay wedding planning business, another gay pride jewelry shop, some dating services, etc.

Maybe TomSA should be showing prospective advertisers what the site used to be like (and what he intends to make it back into) instead of what it is right now.

P.S. TomSA, don't take any of our whining too much to heart and shut the place down. Those of us who are still around really do appreciate the site. We'd just like to see a little more action on it.
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