Class Warfare? Is it time?

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Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Rico » Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:44 pm

There's been much talk and criticism lately that even discussing the consequences of economic inequality in the United States is a form of "class warfare" and that it should be dismissed out of hand as leftist-commie-pinko-socialist-wacko stuff. So what that 10% of US citizens own 70.9% of all US assets. And don't even talk about income disparities. Economist Timothy Smeeding summed up the current trend of rising inequality in the United States when he noted: "Americans have the highest income inequality in the rich world and over the past 20–30 years Americans have also experienced the greatest increase in income inequality among rich nations."

My spin on this is simple: The trick is for the top 10% to keep the bottom 90% fighting amongst themselves...which we seem to so obediently do...and a large number of the 90% get their marching orders from Fox News. Case closed.

What do you think?
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby nimby » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:12 pm

I think it's time for a revolution. Not just corporate greed, but greed of any kind has gotten way out of hand. What you see as "hoarding" and "expreme couponing" on these reality tv shows is exactly what goes of in the board rooms of the world. People hoard stuff just because they can and just so others can't have any. There is no more good will towards our fellow man at all. Humans have turned sour. And I think all this is a direct result of extreme capitalism.

All this protesting is good and well, but if I were in charge, I'd handle things just a little differently. I'd broaden my scope, take aim at the global elite, not let them out of my sight and bring em to their knees the old fashioned way.

Also people have to alter their every day lives to affect change too. When you see greed, shout it down. When you see poor service due to a lack of staffing, shout! Next time you are put through to a call centre in Bangalore, demand to speak to someone on home soil. Stand up for injustice of any kind and put a stop to it. This is the only time in history where one declining super power is financing the rise of it's successor, one that has barely any human rights at all, intellectual, sexual, personal or otherwise. Just imagine what the world will de like in thirty years if we don't stop it.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Rico » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:40 pm

It seems to me that we all contribute in one way or another to our own economic strangulation in the West. Shopping at Wal-Mart is the perfect example. It's the new archetype for business.

China Labour Watch estimates that if it were a country, Wal-Mart would rank as China's seventh largest trading partner, just ahead of the UK, spending more than $18 billion annually on Chinese goods." Yet, Wal-Mart is a company with a record of exploitation...from sex discrimination to union busting. In reply Wal-Mart brags about the availability of Wrangler jeans for $11.50, laptops for $298 and even an entire Thanksgiving turkey dinner for eight people at $20. Wal-Mart maintains that it is on the side of hard-working families who need to save every penny they can – and the company intends to spread this message globally.

Which side is right, I don't know. But it appears that we might be paying for the rope that will eventually hang us.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Earl Butz » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:07 am

Protests are so dumb. I agree with this one, but still think it's dumb. There's no doubt greed is out of control. But waving a sign and pooping in a bag will not change the fact that humans are greedy.

The top 1% have 90% of the wealth in the U.S. This means that the bottom 50% have 2% of the wealth. Yikes.

Why not give communism a try? :P
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby nimby » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:24 pm

Earl Butz wrote:Protests are so dumb. I agree with this one, but still think it's dumb. There's no doubt greed is out of control. But waving a sign and pooping in a bag will not change the fact that humans are greedy.

The top 1% have 90% of the wealth in the U.S. This means that the bottom 50% have 2% of the wealth. Yikes.

Why not give communism a try? :P

Without "waving a sign" there would be no gay rights at all and we'd still be banned from serving in the millitary. And who the heck poops in a bag? LOL!

The ratios of wealth distribution will remain the same until you do something about it. As for communism, ask those who survived the Holodomor.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Earl Butz » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:06 am

Just kidding about communism. That is a proven failure. The campers have to poop in bags, don't they?

I feel for the yoot of today. Saw an ad today for condos....only $235,000! Geez. In 1976 my dad bought our condo for $29,000 and he paid cash. Not sure what wages were back then, but I'm pretty sure they aren't ten times that now.

I've heard about 50 year mortgages....yikes. You'll be dead by the time you pay that off. :roll:
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Phoenix6570 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:40 am

Rico wrote:My spin on this is simple: The trick is for the top 10% to keep the bottom 90% fighting amongst themselves...which we seem to so obediently do...and a large number of the 90% get their marching orders from Fox News. Case closed.

What do you think?


I agree with this statement 100% I'm hoping things will start to change due to the weakening economy. The only way some people will start to wake up is if an issue is directly affecting their lives. Otherwise most people go about their days without a care in the world. Technology is wonderful in all but I think we're becoming lazy and to comfortable because of it. As long as people are happy within their own little bubble they don't pay attention to the greater scheme of things.

I liked what you said about Wal-Mart too. I work for them but I never shop there. I don't agree with the way they do things at all; even moreso now that I work there. I've talked with people and even though they don't like Wal-marts business practices and the way they treat their workers they still shop there for the cheapest price.

As Micheal Jackson said in his song " They don't really care about us." We need to start making changes now before things really get out of hand. This is why I love Ron Paul and the things he has to say. I believe we would be much better off if there were more people like him around.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Earl Butz » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:46 am

I just watched a bit of Michael Moore's 2009 movie Capitalism: A Love Story. Yikes. Depressing as hell. It must make Americans feel so ashamed of their screw the other guy to make a buck society. :(

Even Jimmy Carter addressed the nation one time to warn everyone that priorities were out of whack. Then Raygun took over, and was basically a patsy for everything the banks and Wall Street wanted. People loved the guy though for his folksy charm, not fully realizing he was creating the disaster we now have.

Poverty level wages for the masses. Even airline pilots. I had to turn it off after that, it was too depressing.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby nimby » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:03 pm

Scary, eh? I really do see a return to the need for labour unions. But when you have an exploding population (7,000,000,000 by this Saturday) of unskilled workers and lax immigration policies, employment markets get flooded by people who will gladly do the work for a fraction of the pay. This who Global Village BS was a sham put on us bt the greedy capitalists. Again it shows us the a person may be smart, but "people" are stupid.
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Re: Class Warfare? Is it time?

Postby Rico » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:41 pm

Fewer than ten years ago most Chinese workers were making less than $1 an hour, and now they're earning more than twice that. Ten years from now they'll be making $3.00 hour. Ten years after that....$4.00/hr. That's 2031. Get the point? We'll never be able to compete with such cheap labor. Maybe it's time to put our retirement savings in Maxwell House? And I'm not talking about putting money in Maxwell House stock....but rather in a Maxwell House coffee can buried in the back yard.
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