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Postby Laiku » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:46 am

Alexander the Great, a role model? You can't be serious
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Postby RedKen99 » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:56 pm

JP Calderon. I read both feature articles of him in Instinct. He likes to live by his own label, and not a stereotypical one.
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Stewie: Always provacative when it comes this his male-loving side!
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Postby anatole noziere » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:32 pm

As a boy, I strongly favored Alexander the Great--I sometimes think I was born fascist, not gay. Anyway, conquering the world sounded like something worth doing when I was a nine-year-old. As I approached adolescence, I began to have lustful thoughts about Julius Caesar, Lawrence of Arabia, and Field Marshall Montgomery (which was appropriate, because I was about the age that both Larry and 'Monty' liked 'em).

As maturity dawned and I began to have access to real pornography and live sex partners, military history began to lose its erotic appeal--but I never lost the knack (call it "Historical Gaydar") of detecting gayness in historical personages; whereof the following is a partial, off the top of my head, list:

Ludwig von Wittelsbach ("the Strong," and his buddy/wuv and co-emperor) Friedrich von Habsburg ("the Beautiful"), Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, Michelangelo, Isaac Newton, Frederic the Great, Charles XII and Gustave III of Sweden, Jahangir, Luigi Cherubini (and his buddy) Giambattista Viotti, Ludwig van Beethoven (homosexual pedophile), Henry David Thoreau, Herman Melville, Walt Whitman, Ronald Firbank, Leonard Bernstein, Virgil Thompson, Aaron Copland, Ned Rorem....Actually, I think all modern American composers, except Charles Ives, are gay.

The above are all certfiably great gay rôle-models, and one might think looking at such a list that "gay is good" is axiomatic. So in the interests of fairness, I should point out that at least three of the cruelest, evilest bastards that every sullied the fair face of light were also gay: Pope John XXII, Adolph Hitler, J. Edgar Hoover. Interesting to note that they were also all viciously and violently homophobic. Why do you suppose?
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Best Role Models

Postby dracuscalico » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:19 pm

The best role model hands down would be professional athletes who come forward while at the top of their careers, because they are considered the alpha male templates of masculinity.

If they would voluntarily come forward on principle versus being ill, blackmailed, or retiring, they would be risking the adulation of millions of fans and their economic future, a career risk that even "straight acting" laymen would hesitate to take, if it meant the possibility of never working in their field again.

While it would be unlikely that principle alone would be enough for a professional athlete to risk everything. It would be of immeasurable benefit for guys struggling with their sexuality to see that the gay stereotypes are not the only options out there for who they can meet or what they can be. After all, that's kinda why everyone is here isn't it?
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Re: Gay Role Models and Heroes

Postby masculinity » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:58 am

MoRutherford wrote:Hey all

Was having a recent discussion with a friend who is gay and he complained about there not being any good gay role models or heroes. I started to think of a list of famous gay people, but whether they are role models or not does come to question.

Freddie Mercury (of Queen)
Michael Stipe (of R.E.M.)
Bryan Singer (director)
Oscar Wilde (author/playwright)
Maynard James Keenan (of Tool, though may not be gay, but there's definitely something going on there -- I have a live performance of them performing a song referencing anal sex, and there's a man undressing on stage while Maynard pinches and rubs his nipple.)

I know I could think of more, but then it gets in to more celebrities. Please add more, but keeping in mind how well of a role model they are. Though some of these above I can't wholly speak for.


All of the people you mentioned are great role models for the third gender, so they can be great role models for GAYS, but not for men who love men, because these males were not MEN, they were third sex.

No man, whoever he may like sexually, will ever take these people as their role model, because they're not the same gender as men. How can you have someone as your role model, just because you both love men. I mean lots of great women have loved men -- do men who love men see them as role models? Of course not. Similarly, men can not look at third sex that loves men as role models.

Your enumerating these people as role models confirms what I've been saying all along -- that Gay or 'homosexuality' is not a space for men who love men, but for the third sex that loves men.
Gays are a different species altogether from men (and women). They're not "men who like men," they are "third gender who like men."

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Postby Laiku » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:55 am

Ludwig von Wittelsbach ("the Strong," and his buddy/wuv and co-emperor) Friedrich von Habsburg ("the Beautiful"), Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, Michelangelo, Isaac Newton, Frederic the Great, Charles XII and Gustave III of Sweden, Jahangir, Luigi Cherubini (and his buddy) Giambattista Viotti, Ludwig van Beethoven (homosexual pedophile), Henry David Thoreau, Herman Melville, Walt Whitman, Ronald Firbank, Leonard Bernstein, Virgil Thompson, Aaron Copland, Ned Rorem....Actually, I think all modern American composers, except Charles Ives, are gay.


Is there any proof for them being gay?
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Postby masculinity » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:16 am

Guys will you plz leave out straight people like Tom Cruise out of your third gender list.

gvtire wrote:
And if we include transgenders:


You mean people like Oscar Wilde, Elton John and Freddie Mercury are not transgenders? Gays are transgenders, some more, some less.
Gays are a different species altogether from men (and women). They're not "men who like men," they are "third gender who like men."

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Postby Cachasa » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:22 pm

masculinity wrote:Guys will you plz leave out straight people like Tom Cruise out of your third gender list.

gvtire wrote:
And if we include transgenders:


You mean people like Oscar Wilde, Elton John and Freddie Mercury are not transgenders? Gays are transgenders, some more, some less.



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Again more anti-feminist crap.

Except, this time it's laced with transphobic and homophobic crap too.

I thought these vitriolic self-hating stuff was a thing of the past. Oh well, I can only wish.
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Gay but strong

Postby Learning » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:08 am

This list shows some people who show interest in other men, but whose personal style defies stereotypes and conveys strength, confidence, and authority:

Thomas Roberts (Former CNN anchor)
Daniel Broughton (Mr. Gay UK)
Demarco Major (Basketball player)
Andrew Oldershaw (Model, activist)
Ryan Barry (Personal trainer, psychologist)
Andrew Goldstein (Lacrosse player)
Chris Clemmo (Rugby player)
Darren Manzella (Soldier)
Farley Granger (Actor)
Rock Hudson (Actor)
Rich Merritt (Author)
Brian Paddick (Police officer)

Erotic videos include a wide range of guys who push past effeminate gay stereotypes and make connections with other guys. Here are a few of the more highly exposed ones:

Lukas Ridgestone
Sebastian Bonnet
Eric Hanson
Tommy D.
Cade and Dawson from Corbin Fisher
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Postby lazyrascal » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:29 am

There are quite a few gay and lesbian people I think are just GREAT and see as role-models, but if I listed them all the list would be way to long. Here are just a few that come of the top.

First and foremost are my boys Jarrod Chlapowski and Eric Alva. These two ex-US army vets served in the Iraq war but were discharged because of don't ask don't tell. I seen a speech Jarrod gave at Harvard on you-tube about his coming out in the army and I fell in love. Chlapowski (Whoo HOT!) has his own blogger I think its called "Ground Coffee," he is totally against the DADT policy. Eric Alva was the first man wounded in Iraq, I seen him on Oprah.

Others are:

Margaret Cho: Among her many talents she is a super funny comedian and a supporter of gay rights

James Baldwin: Great American Writer.....I read two books he wrote: Another World and Giovanni's Room

Andy Warhol: Famous Pop Artist

Billy Bean: Major League Baseball player who played for the Los Angeles Dodgers and the San Diego Padres....I'm sure he wrote a book but I haven't got a chance to read it.

Freddie Mercury: Great British Singer and Songwriter...My two most favorite Queen songs are "We are the Champions," and "Bohemian Rhapsody."

Willa Cather: Great Writer
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Re: Gay but strong

Postby PhillyAgenda » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:55 am

Ian McKellen is definitely one of my favorite actors. Gandalf and Magneto, what a guy.

Learning wrote:Cade and Dawson from Corbin Fisher

I love these guys. Wish I could actually meet guys like this in person.
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Postby masculinity » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:47 am

Laiku wrote:Alexander the Great, a role model? You can't be serious


Of course Alexander the Great cannot be a role model for the gays. He was a man, a REAL man.

To call Alexander the Great is to call him a Catamite, a third gender male who used his anus like a vagina. It would be the greatest insult to him, and if he were alive he would not leave the one calling him gay, alive. Catamites were extremely looked down upon in the ancient Greek society.

You can call anyone anything behind their back.
Gays are a different species altogether from men (and women). They're not "men who like men," they are "third gender who like men."

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Joseph Steffan

Postby Learning » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:01 am

We could probably add Joseph Steffan to the list for his courageous challenge to military discrimination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Steffan
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