Same Person with Different Styles

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Same Person with Different Styles

Postby Learning » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:24 am

The first videos show Johnny Hazzard acting masculine and then second shows him acting to fit the gay stereotype.

http://blog.unzipped.net/johnny_hazzard_cooks/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPQ8-Wm4 ... annel_page

How well do some of you think he did in making a contrast?
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Postby Daknee » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:21 pm

All I have to say is watching them watch 2 girls and a cup made me want to see what they were looking at. All I can say is I reacted very much like all those peoples reactions shown on You Tube.
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Postby CollegePepper » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:57 am

He wasnt ACTING in the 2 Girls 1 Cup vid.

If you watch the video and record yourself you"ll see why it causes people to behave that way.
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Postby Cachasa » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:00 pm

"Same person with different styles"

???????????????


This topic is really enlightening it makes a guy wonder about things like
learning and masculinity..........
and how they're related to each other.
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What do you notice

Postby Learning » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:34 pm

Ha, ha. No. The poster Masculinity is a different person from the other side of the globe.

Still, developing masculine style probably does involve learning. I'd like to make clear what those things are that would be learned (i.e. operationalize definitions).

For example, in Hazzard's more masculine video, he keeps his head balanced, voice low and resonant, hands and elbows away from the body. In the more feminine one, Hazzard touches his face a lot, cocks his head, whines, and says things implying that he's disgusted, afraid, and unable to cope. Masculinity can involve thoughts and feelings rather than just behaviors. What would some of you add?

Is there any basis for saying what the "real" or "inner" Johnny Hazzard is like?
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Postby CollegePepper » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:26 am

Cachasa wrote:"Same person with different styles"

???????????????


This topic is really enlightening it makes a guy wonder about things like
learning and masculinity..........
and how they're related to each other.


I'm glad it isn't only me who thinks this LOL

This isn't the first time we've had a poster come out of nowhere with the same language and syntax patterns as masculinity.
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Postby Pazuzu P. Sasquatch » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:15 am

It's less depressing to think masculinity's changed his hat than to believe that there are TWO people posting here who are that off-the wall. . . . My guess is that they're one and the same, especially since masc was more-or-less shown the door recently. But if they're not, they might as well be.

As far as Hazzard goes -- He's a little pretty-boy. I've seen him act less feminine at some times than at others, but I've never seen him act masculine. Nothing really wrong with that; I'm just sayin'. . .

(He was also, quite obviously, loaded when the youtube clip was shot. Nothing wrong with that, either. . . . but the alcohol seems to feed the flame, if you know what I'm saying.)
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Postby vbksound » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:16 pm

i think even in the first video, you can hear femininity in his voice : precise pronunciation, a little intonation...etc..

Learning is obviously not masculinity, and his focus is different. He wants to know what makes up the signals of masculinity or something like that...

I don't know what is "off the wall" about that.
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Very gay!

Postby Desperate » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:39 pm

He sounds like a fag either way. Johnny Faggard is trying way too hard pretending to act like he's at all masculine when he is really a 5-star, all-star girl. He's simply a chick with a dick like all fags.
Being gay means being feminine!
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Postby nimby » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:15 pm

No disrespect, but could you stop using the term fag? I find it extrimely derogatory.

And no, being gay doesn't mean being feminine. You'd be shocked at the "straight" guys I know who like c*ck.

Thanks.
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Postby nimby » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:33 pm

CollegePepper wrote:
Cachasa wrote:"Same person with different styles"

???????????????


This topic is really enlightening it makes a guy wonder about things like
learning and masculinity..........
and how they're related to each other.


I'm glad it isn't only me who thinks this LOL

This isn't the first time we've had a poster come out of nowhere with the same language and syntax patterns as masculinity.


Um. ditto. It kinda creepy. MPD or just really eager to convince? :shock:
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Postby madsglen » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:52 pm

nimby wrote:No disrespect, but could you stop using the term fag? I find it extrimely derogatory.

And no, being gay doesn't mean being feminine. You'd be shocked at the "straight" guys I know who like c*ck.

Thanks.


Ditto. I think because it's meant to be derogatory and hurtful.

While I'm at it, I'm pretty much over any reference to the correlation between gay/feminine. And any reference to 'third sex' (which is tough for me to even type let alone say out loud) since it brings to mind some sort of 'she-male' which creeps me out.
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Postby CollegePepper » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:53 am

madsglen wrote:
nimby wrote:No disrespect, but could you stop using the term fag? I find it extrimely derogatory.

And no, being gay doesn't mean being feminine. You'd be shocked at the "straight" guys I know who like c*ck.

Thanks.


Ditto. I think because it's meant to be derogatory and hurtful.

While I'm at it, I'm pretty much over any reference to the correlation between gay/feminine. And any reference to 'third sex' (which is tough for me to even type let alone say out loud) since it brings to mind some sort of 'she-male' which creeps me out.


LMAO!!!!!!! Whenever I saw the term I always thought of "chix with dix". Very unsavory image - unless one is into that kinda stuff I guess LOL
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Superman v. Clark Kent

Postby Learning » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:49 am

This video shows Christopher Reeves portraying Superman and then Clark Kent. Reeves uses different posture, tone of voice, and gestures to reflect different underlying thoughts and feelings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSH5TJRWt38

Does his Superman character seem more "straight-acting"?
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Postby nimby » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:55 am

Well, since he was a professionally trained actor with years of experience, you really can't compare. It was his job to act.
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Changing image to fit situation

Postby Learning » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:25 pm

You are making an important distinction between people who adapt their behavior to different situation and people who remain more consistent in different situations. People differ in levels of "self-monitoring."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_monitoring
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Postby nimby » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:34 pm

I am the type who is very consistant in different situations and next to no monitoring techniques. I know many who monitor them selves and adapt to different situations, but that's not me. At my work things are very hectic, fast paced and stressful. But in my office, it is like an oasis. Quiet, serene, soothing. It calms people right down. I make the people adapt to me.

And at first people laughed at me, but now my office is known as the loft and is a regular hideout at work. My boss jokes that my clients are so relaxed after my office, they must be checked for a pulse.

But when I have to vent or do something totally out of character, I, um,...come here. :D
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Postby CollegePepper » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:53 pm

It took me a while to learn this... and I'm still in my early 20so so i learned quickly enough.

Life is really too short to be that self-conscious all the time.

Really the only time I think one should be careful is at the work place.

But generally, just be yourself - if people don't like it, then that's their problem.

Even if you're completely "Straight-acting" someone will already know you're gay. You can't fool everybody
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Tootsie

Postby Learning » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:19 pm

Dustin Hoffman makes a contrast between his male character and his female character in "Tootsie." However, most of the characters in "Tootsie" find his female character to be more authoritative than the average woman. What makes Hoffman's female "Tootsie" character seem more powerful than the average woman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVw4OHU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXE1Yq0AnQ
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Transformations with David Deangelo

Postby Learning » Sat May 16, 2009 1:24 pm

In these David Deangelo videos, you can watch a group of four guys transforming themselves to effeminate and also to "straight acting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFkbVYeK ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFkbVYeK ... re=related

Small differences can make a huge difference in overall appearance. What do some of you think makes them seem more or less "straight acting"?
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Kevin Zegers in "It's a Boy Girl Thing"

Postby Learning » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:20 pm

"It's a Boy Girl Thing" is a comedy that plays with gender differences and also tests Kevin Zegers' ability to switch from boyish to femme. Zegers switches to femme because his insides are magically exchanged with those of a female character who takes over his body. The underlying assumptions about gender may be questionable, but the show is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n0NCr81IWM
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Straight Actors Playing Gay Parts

Postby Learning » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:32 am

To learn to act more stereotypically gay for a play, straight actors went to a gay bar to observe gay style in action and ask gay men there for suggestions on copying gay style.

Here is an example of the results:

http://www.theotherpaper.com/articles/2 ... 094256.txt
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Bruno v. Borat

Postby Learning » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:19 pm

How well has Sacha Baron Cohen made contrast between his straight-acting Borat character and his stereotypically gay Bruno character?

Bruno:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCno_(character)

Borat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat_Sagdiyev
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Re: Bruno v. Borat

Postby LtotheP » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:09 pm

Learning wrote:How well has Sacha Baron Cohen made contrast between his straight-acting Borat character and his stereotypically gay Bruno character?

Bruno:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCno_(character)

Borat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat_Sagdiyev


Borat was straight acting? He did a lot of things I would consider gay...then again I really don’t have the same definition as gay as you. yay for social constructs we (well at least some of "us") let control our lives far to much. Don’t be concerned about the labels and how people react to them. We are each individuals - we each do our own thing. Why are we so obsessed about putting ourselves in boxes?
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Borat v. Bruno

Postby Learning » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:38 am

Borat was straight acting? He did a lot of things I would consider gay...then again I really don’t have the same definition as gay as you.


You have me curious to see what you thought Borat did that fit stereotypical gay style. You're right that it's hard to put a whole person in a box, but some actions may fit in one box or another.
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