Same Sex Attraction as Interest in Manliness

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Same Sex Attraction as Interest in Manliness

Postby Learning » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:13 pm

Gay often implies liking men and wanting to act like feminine. Some men do not identify with this concept of gayness.

Jack Malebranche wrote Androphilia and used the word androphilia to mean loving men while admiring masculinity and wanting to be manly.

Der Eigene, the first gay journal in the world, presented same sex attraction as an extended interest in all things manly.

Thinking of same sex attraction as extended interest in masculinity seems more consistent than thinking of same sex attraction as indicating a desire to be feminine.
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Re: Same Sex Attraction as Interest in Manliness

Postby masculinity » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:59 am

Learning wrote:Gay often implies liking men and wanting to act like feminine. Some men do not identify with this concept of gayness.

Jack Malebranche wrote Androphilia and used the word androphilia to mean loving men while admiring masculinity and wanting to be manly.

Der Eigene, the first gay journal in the world, presented same sex attraction as an extended interest in all things manly.

Thinking of same sex attraction as extended interest in masculinity seems more consistent than thinking of same sex attraction as indicating a desire to be feminine.


It is interesting, what is known as 'gay' or 'homo' in the West is not thought of as 'same-sex' in non-westernized cultures. Feminine males are not considered 'men' but as 'third gender' -- a separate sex category (e.g. the Hijras or Kotis of India). Sex between a Hijra or Koti and a 'man' (i.e. a masculine gendered male who is considered as 'straight' inspite of his sexual preferences -- as long as he is not actively interested in being inserted) is not considered 'homosexual' sex but as 'heterosexual sex', and the resultant desire is not considered 'homosexuality' but as 'heterosexuality.

Sex between men is not considered to be of any significance in the formal spheres and such desires are considered to be non-existent. However, in men's spaces, men openly acknowledge same-sex desires, i.e. desire between two straight men, to be a universal phenomenon, which however should not be given a lot of importance and should only be indulged in for fun, as it interferes with one's social duty of marriage.

Therefore, such attraction between normal, regular, straight guys is called 'Masti', i.e. 'fun' which is not to be given more significance than that. I mean you're not supposed to get married to a man you are attracted to.
Gays are a different species altogether from men (and women). They're not "men who like men," they are "third gender who like men."

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Further subdivisions and boundries

Postby Learning » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:58 pm

It looks like the Indian way of thinking about sex creates a division between interests in close relationships and sexual interests. That would be really hard for Americans to accept. Many don't think of sex as just another thing that guys might do together for fun.

When Ted Haggard claims to be "straight with issues" after having sex with guys, to many, that seems like his biggest issue is denial.

However, the division of sexual interests and close relationship interests would help make sense of the large number of guys who are supposedly "straight" but appear to enjoy doing gay porn.
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Postby vbksound » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:18 pm

Sincde masculinity may have been banned, let me answer:

Men actually have the capacity to have deep emotional bonds with other men, rather than just sex. Sex, however, is often an initiation into this kind of bond which grows over time.
Actually in India both things are more available for men, but emotional bonds must stay under the guise of 'freindship' not as open romance, no more than in the West.
In the West, however, men are terrified of each other, terrified of being "gay", if they either seek sexual release on the one hand (outside of prsion, military, etc.) , or have deep friendship bonds that involve strong emotions. So men are doubly chained in the West.
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Ted Haggard

Postby vbksound » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:53 pm

If Ted Haggard is a man, he is indeed straight, and only has issues because the western society teaches falsely, that normal men only like women.
If Ted Haggard is a feminine transgender male, then yes, he is in denial. But I can't tell from a distance what sort of male he is.
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